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Post by jackoat on Dec 15, 2016 15:17:12 GMT -5
Well I can't get past components 2 and 3. These Cryptic clues are driving me crazy and the hard part is I'm pretty sure they are easy clues. LOL. It's all good; this is what I am here for. Stretching my thinking, learning new things, it is what I expect from members here. I think cryptic crosswords, even the easy ones, are really hard. There's a site with easy ones that I try every now and then, it's always a lesson in humility! I'm trying some right now. Or I should actually say I am staring at my monitor completely lost right now.
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Post by jackoat on Dec 15, 2016 16:06:52 GMT -5
Here's a very silly puzzle suitable for the end of the season. Lou and Bud want to know: Why is this a Knock-Knock joke?What 3 WordsA friend about to flower . What the chef does when he approves the use of a deadly gas . Plan to remove the informational plaque How about a hint with number of letters. Numbers in brackets maybe even split to show number of words if you're feeling generous
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Post by helenahandbasket on Dec 15, 2016 16:14:05 GMT -5
The answers one word each, 5.5.6
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Post by helenahandbasket on Dec 15, 2016 16:31:47 GMT -5
For what it's worth, if you look up exactly what was suggested it's the first hit. No other iterations needed, unlike puzzles like the earlier horoscopes where it was mentioned they weren't liked because they were google-able (and how I solved some of them), or music notes which was snarkily assisted with a lmgtfy link recently. Both of which were from you lol I think people get a little frustrated over their own over-thinking on these hints. I've had a few times where I read a hint, stumbled over it for a few days and then realized with a facepalm that I was directed to exactly what I needed, but I was taking the info and twisting it into something else on my own. The hard part for me on Amanda's was figuring out the three components. The first one I had as a shorter version at first, but turns out it had a few "correct" answers. As a quick forum search will tell you, I responded to a question that was literally "how do I google musical notes" with a lmgtfy link, yes. And if I stated that I did not like the earlier horoscopes because of Google-necesity is consistent with my viewpoint. Excuse me if my frustration shows through, but the spirit of the MPC community, dating back to the Sitting Room and Chat Room days, had always been to help people to find the solutions to these puzzles in a way that works for them. This emerging trend of "I gave them a hint. If they don't get it, that's their problem" is very disheartening and contrary to the way I want this forum to operate. If you choose not to participate in the community, that's your prerogative. Nobody will force you. But don't try to shame those asking for help. And don't try to shame me for providing an extra nudge when someone clearly still wanted it. There are several of us who have never been able to give hints to your satisfaction, no matter how hard we have tried over the past year. It doesn't seem very community-minded to belittle someone for trying to give hints because they weren't to your taste. It gives the impression that if someone can't do something to your satisfaction, then there's hell to pay. That doesn't seem like a good way to foster participation and cooperation.
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Post by centaurofattn on Dec 15, 2016 17:00:13 GMT -5
For what it's worth, if you look up exactly what was suggested it's the first hit. No other iterations needed, unlike puzzles like the earlier horoscopes where it was mentioned they weren't liked because they were google-able (and how I solved some of them), or music notes which was snarkily assisted with a lmgtfy link recently. Both of which were from you lol I think people get a little frustrated over their own over-thinking on these hints. I've had a few times where I read a hint, stumbled over it for a few days and then realized with a facepalm that I was directed to exactly what I needed, but I was taking the info and twisting it into something else on my own. The hard part for me on Amanda's was figuring out the three components. The first one I had as a shorter version at first, but turns out it had a few "correct" answers. As a quick forum search will tell you, I responded to a question that was literally "how do I google musical notes" with a lmgtfy link, yes. And if I stated that I did not like the earlier horoscopes because of Google-necesity is consistent with my viewpoint. Excuse me if my frustration shows through, but the spirit of the MPC community, dating back to the Sitting Room and Chat Room days, had always been to help people to find the solutions to these puzzles in a way that works for them. This emerging trend of "I gave them a hint. If they don't get it, that's their problem" is very disheartening and contrary to the way I want this forum to operate. If you choose not to participate in the community, that's your prerogative. Nobody will force you. But don't try to shame those asking for help. And don't try to shame me for providing an extra nudge when someone clearly still wanted it. I don't want this thread to get too derailed for future people looking for help, but I do feel the need to defend a little here (and perhaps you were speaking generally, but I was quoted so this is how I'm reading it). There are many people that could speak to me being helpful. Sometimes it's on the forum, most of the time it's in PMs. When I got my issue, you and others hushed me because you didn't receive your issue yet and didn't want it ruined. There are still people overseas that do not have their issues. Helping people privately feels like the best balance for my "wait for everyone to have it" but still be helpful ethics. There are also people that can speak to my hints being crap. Some people love my hints. Other people also give crap hints. But its the hint we have. It's not an attitude of "if you don't get it, it's your problem" but you're basically saying if all I can offer a hungry person is bread, I need to figure out a way to make soup even if that's the best I've got. How do I work with that? I've never shamed someone asking for help and I'm not sure that I shamed you for helping but I apologize if I came off that way. To be frank, these are just puzzles. It's fun, stimulating, and occasionally hilarious. I'm not sure why this all got so tense and serious but I hope it goes back to being fun because it's losing that allure for me as well.
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Post by jackoat on Dec 15, 2016 17:59:22 GMT -5
The answers one word each, 5.5.6 Thanks for the tip on word lengths. Time to get back to a thesaurus.
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Post by jackoat on Dec 15, 2016 18:20:38 GMT -5
Whoa, this thread has blown up and I don't understand it. Everyone is super helpful. I've had help from all of you, too many times to count (except Amanda who I do want to thank for posting this type of puzzle which helps with the Sundial).
Sometimes the hints are great. Sometimes the hints are crap and leave me with more questions. Sometimes I go back again and again for another hint. It's what I like about this community, the different perspectives. I also like the willingness to help each other which makes me want to help others.
I know that my hints are sometimes horrible. I don’t want to give away the answer expecting that most members really want to solve each puzzle themselves. There is a fine line between helping and handing the answer. You've all been there for me this year and I appreciate it. I believe we have to respect each other's differences.
That's just my 2 cents.
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Post by thebardess on Dec 15, 2016 19:20:51 GMT -5
With regard to hints, all I would say is: if someone asks for a hint and you give them one and they come back later saying "Sorry, I don't understand that hint, I'm still confused, can you give me another nudge," don't just repeat the same hint from earlier. That's supremely unhelpful and frustrating- if I didn't understand the hint the first time, I'm not going to magically understand just because you repeat it.
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Post by helenahandbasket on Dec 15, 2016 19:27:37 GMT -5
With regard to hints, all I would say is: if someone asks for a hint and you give them one and they come back later saying "Sorry, I don't understand that hint, I'm still confused, can you give me another nudge," don't just repeat the same hint from earlier. That's supremely unhelpful and frustrating- if I didn't understand the hint the first time, I'm not going to magically understand just because you repeat it. I'm sorry, but I didn't see that happen here at all. I'm not sure how the kerfluffle got started, etc., but if someone had said, "Sorry, I don't understand that hint, I'm still confused, can you give me another nudge," then they certainly would have gotten the help they were asking for.
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Post by jackoat on Dec 16, 2016 10:30:45 GMT -5
"Hey Abbott!!!"
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Post by Todd on Dec 16, 2016 13:57:09 GMT -5
With regard to hints, all I would say is: if someone asks for a hint and you give them one and they come back later saying "Sorry, I don't understand that hint, I'm still confused, can you give me another nudge," don't just repeat the same hint from earlier. That's supremely unhelpful and frustrating- if I didn't understand the hint the first time, I'm not going to magically understand just because you repeat it. I'm sorry, but I didn't see that happen here at all. I'm not sure how the kerfluffle got started, etc., but if someone had said, "Sorry, I don't understand that hint, I'm still confused, can you give me another nudge," then they certainly would have gotten the help they were asking for. And yet, except for the wording, thebardess gave an accurate recap of exactly what happened. And you know it. Further discussion on this topic will be deleted.
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Post by Geodus on Dec 21, 2016 21:21:06 GMT -5
So, the solution to the first part is not, in fact, the name of one of the participants in the conversation?
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Post by jackoat on Dec 21, 2016 22:24:28 GMT -5
So, the solution to the first part is not, in fact, the name of one of the participants in the conversation? A longer version that one might call a friend.
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Post by Geodus on Dec 21, 2016 23:31:12 GMT -5
One that Pauly Shore might call a friend?
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Post by centaurofattn on Dec 22, 2016 11:41:47 GMT -5
One that Pauly Shore might call a friend? Bahahaha, yes Or Jacqueline from Kimmy Schmidt
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