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Post by sillynapkin on Feb 24, 2019 0:02:32 GMT -5
In making a timeline of events (Which I am still in the process of finalizing) I have also been putting different puzzle objects in order my when they are mentioned. (For example in the dated diary entry on Sunday 2/23/36, the zoetrope is referred to)
I have most of the objects in some sort of chronological order but have missed a mention of a couple of items.
Can anyone point me to a reference to the Icy Odessy Film Poster, and the Mouth Movement Reference Poster?
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Post by marwolaeth on Feb 24, 2019 5:26:46 GMT -5
Mouth movement reference poster is for the zoetrope puzzle.
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Post by phraca on Feb 24, 2019 8:51:11 GMT -5
Icy poster is referenced in the magic booklet
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Post by sillynapkin on Feb 24, 2019 14:56:13 GMT -5
Thanks! If anyone has the timeline down I would love to compare notes.
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Post by dmikester on Feb 25, 2019 0:14:18 GMT -5
I'm close to having the timeline down (well, as much as I can; I think there might be a legitimate narrative mistake in one section). One handy thing for all of the gold and platinum puzzles (in other words, any puzzles not mentioned in the diary) is that they each (as in the gold puzzles and then the platinum puzzles) have a corresponding dated letter from FJ referencing and effectively indexing them. Since they don't have any other dates associated with them as far as I can tell, I've just lumped them all with the dates from those letters since they all obviously need to have existed prior or on the date of each of those letters.
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Post by marwolaeth on Feb 25, 2019 5:00:29 GMT -5
I'm close to having the timeline down (well, as much as I can; I think there might be a legitimate narrative mistake in one section). One handy thing for all of the gold and platinum puzzles (in other words, any puzzles not mentioned in the diary) is that they each (as in the gold puzzles and then the platinum puzzles) have a corresponding dated letter from FJ referencing and effectively indexing them. Since they don't have any other dates associated with them as far as I can tell, I've just lumped them all with the dates from those letters since they all obviously need to have existed prior or on the date of each of those letters. The biggest mistake i think i can find is having two dates that definitely look like two different days, on the same day. March 27th is a bitch.
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Post by dmikester on Feb 26, 2019 14:24:12 GMT -5
So here's a simple timeline error, and this kind of stuff annoys me to no end. The March 18th puzzle in the diary requires the newspaper, which isn't supposed to be published until March 29th.
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Post by dmikester on Feb 26, 2019 14:44:49 GMT -5
I think the newspaper having a date that implies that it comes out at least weekly if not daily creates multiple timeline/narrative errors, both with puzzles that come before and after its publication in the timeline. If you pretend that the paper doesn't have a date and that presumably its content gets published not in one issue but over multiple issues, then the timeline makes more sense.
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Post by sillynapkin on Feb 26, 2019 20:25:18 GMT -5
Hmm if you are referring the the issue I think you are it’s not an error. A lot of the articles are written as ongoing reporting rather then breaking news.
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Post by dmikester on Feb 26, 2019 21:14:30 GMT -5
The Illustrated Times of London has a specific date of Sunday 29th March 1936. Yet, there are diary entries that are dated prior to March 29th that reference puzzles that require referring to the newspaper (I referred to one in spoilers above). There's also at least one puzzle in a diary entry that refers to the weekend paper that is dated well after March 29th. If the paper didn't have a specific date, while that would be odd it wouldn't create these discrepancies.
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Post by amanda on Feb 26, 2019 21:32:39 GMT -5
So here's a simple timeline error, and this kind of stuff annoys me to no end. The March 18th puzzle in the diary requires the newspaper, which isn't supposed to be published until March 29th. I think you need to differentiate between what we have available, and what our diarist has available. I can easily see our guy having access to an earlier paper that lists the horses running, even if we don't have that access ourselves.
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Post by dmikester on Feb 26, 2019 22:10:27 GMT -5
So here's a simple timeline error, and this kind of stuff annoys me to no end. The March 18th puzzle in the diary requires the newspaper, which isn't supposed to be published until March 29th. I think you need to differentiate between what we have available, and what our diarist has available. I can easily see our guy having access to an earlier paper that lists the horses running, even if we don't have that access ourselves. I guess that's true (though it seems a little convenient to me, but you're right, it does make sense). A bigger issue is the animation cel puzzle which if I'm right with an inference I'm making about how we're supposed to organize these and the answers I've been getting should happen on a different day than I think it does (this would require a PM, as it's heavy spoilers about the presumed end goal of WW). Also, the puzzle with the cards with images that appear in the paper likely happens well after the specific paper's publication, since the letter that references it is from April 21st. Not impossible of course, and it doesn't have to, but it seems odd.
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Post by beckyp on Feb 27, 2019 1:13:44 GMT -5
So here's a simple timeline error, and this kind of stuff annoys me to no end. The March 18th puzzle in the diary requires the newspaper, which isn't supposed to be published until March 29th. Not necessarily. As the trainers are part of The Order it may be safe to assume that the names of the horses would be circulated within the group. Aside from the fact it is The Grand National - maybe the biggest (or at least most popular betting event) horse racing event in UK horse Racing calendar. A list of the runners would be published well before the event
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Post by dmikester on Feb 27, 2019 1:35:31 GMT -5
In general, I find the horse name date theory fine logically but very annoying design-wise, as it assumes information that we ourselves can only get from a specific item but that other characters have access to through different methods. Of course, this is also true with the first cipher letter, since the route to crack the cipher requires an item dated well after the Feb. 1st date. of the first cipher letter. Sure, it increases the need for deduction, but seems to sort of break the rules established by most of the other puzzles.
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