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Post by Geodus on Mar 1, 2018 2:54:50 GMT -5
I have to say, I'm rather excited by the prospect of a metapuzzle running through all of Year Two, including the art prizes. Definitely a great way to expand the experience. I am excited by this prospect as well. I haven't even finished this current season and I'm already looking forward to the next. I feel good about supporting the artist as well -- he seems to put a lot of love into this project and is highly responsive to his customers/patrons.
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Post by distantsmoke on Mar 1, 2018 19:00:05 GMT -5
Just had a short chat with Jack. (Hey, that rhymes!). He mentioned that so far he's had only one 10$ a month patron pledge. So I think I will step up and help out with supporting his new objectives. Please consider doing so if you can afford to. Especially if you're American and will benefit from the improved shipping.  . Or at the very least, please use your social media to help let more people know about the patron pledge. I enjoy cryptogram puzzle post very much, even though I have yet to earn any prizes.
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Post by Weather ... BUT IN SPACE! on Mar 7, 2018 22:20:29 GMT -5
I just got my "prize" for completing a season, and I was #30/50. 30! It astounds me that there aren't more subscribers to CPP, since I think it's probably the best monthly subscription mystery thing I've come across in over a year of actively searching. Other than C&C V3, of course. I think it'd go a long way if we support the CPP through the Patreon page, or refer some friends. I know I certainly want as much of this content as possible!
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Post by Geodus on Mar 8, 2018 3:14:37 GMT -5
I also just received the spring prize (I'm a later starter for CPP), and it's numbered 32/50. I was surprised and dismayed to see such a low number. I can tell there is so much personal care and detail put into this subscription that I feel guilty for paying so little.
I happily became a patron.
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Post by dmikester on Mar 8, 2018 13:50:59 GMT -5
I too have been surprised by the small number of prizes that have been awarded; I've gotten them all so far, and I tend to be in the high 20s/low 30s range. However, I know that this has been financially successful for Jack, enough to where he's been able to cut back on other paying jobs to focus on this. Also, many months ago now, when I first discovered CPP, I was so impressed by his artwork that I wanted to support him by commissioning artwork; when I contacted him about it, he told me that CPP was doing so well that he didn't have time to do commissions! So I think it may be more that people subscribe for the artwork (the envelopes alone are incredible things) and get very challenged by the puzzles and therefore don't submit answers for them. So while I wouldn't be too worried about him financially, supporting him on Patreon is still a great thing and will ensure much more of this to come.
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Post by Todd on Mar 8, 2018 14:45:31 GMT -5
I too have been surprised by the small number of prizes that have been awarded; I've gotten them all so far, and I tend to be in the high 20s/low 30s range. However, I know that this has been financially successful for Jack, enough to where he's been able to cut back on other paying jobs to focus on this. Also, many months ago now, when I first discovered CPP, I was so impressed by his artwork that I wanted to support him by commissioning artwork; when I contacted him about it, he told me that CPP was doing so well that he didn't have time to do commissions! So I think it may be more that people subscribe for the artwork (the envelopes alone are incredible things) and get very challenged by the puzzles and therefore don't submit answers for them. So while I wouldn't be too worried about him financially, supporting him on Patreon is still a great thing and will ensure much more of this to come. That's absurd. Curios & Conundrums is unsustainable, so this must be, too. 
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Post by dmikester on Mar 8, 2018 15:47:37 GMT -5
I too have been surprised by the small number of prizes that have been awarded; I've gotten them all so far, and I tend to be in the high 20s/low 30s range. However, I know that this has been financially successful for Jack, enough to where he's been able to cut back on other paying jobs to focus on this. Also, many months ago now, when I first discovered CPP, I was so impressed by his artwork that I wanted to support him by commissioning artwork; when I contacted him about it, he told me that CPP was doing so well that he didn't have time to do commissions! So I think it may be more that people subscribe for the artwork (the envelopes alone are incredible things) and get very challenged by the puzzles and therefore don't submit answers for them. So while I wouldn't be too worried about him financially, supporting him on Patreon is still a great thing and will ensure much more of this to come. That's absurd. Curios & Conundrums is unsustainable, so this must be, too.  I mean, to be somewhat pedantic, this is only pieces of paper with nice artwork and with no artifacts, no online component, and seven small puzzles (really one big puzzle broken into different parts) a month; nowhere near the manufacturing, intricacy or close to the amount of writing that C&C required. I doubt it would take all that much to be profitable. At the same time, this is all being done by one person and it's very high quality and unique, and he's expanding the scope of it this upcoming season and not increasing the price, so....
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Post by Todd on Mar 8, 2018 16:20:30 GMT -5
That's absurd. Curios & Conundrums is unsustainable, so this must be, too.  I mean, to be somewhat pedantic, this is only pieces of paper with nice artwork and with no artifacts, no online component, and seven small puzzles (really one big puzzle broken into different parts) a month; nowhere near the manufacturing, intricacy or close to the amount of writing that C&C required. I doubt it would take all that much to be profitable. At the same time, this is all being done by one person and it's very high quality and unique, and he's expanding the scope of it this upcoming season and not increasing the price, so.... Without wanting to drag this thread too far off-topic, the C&C that is close to my heart is Volumes 1 and 2. The web elements were minimal. The majority of the enclosures were paper, and there were maybe a half dozen puzzles per issue. Much of the content was recycled ads or recipes or stock photographs. But you hit the nail on the head about one thing... When I became a member at MPC, I got the feeling that I was part of an exclusive club. In my mind, I pictured a small handful of people, maybe 4 or 5, who were doing this as a hobby because they loved creating art. I felt like the membership was very exclusive because they knew that if they grew too large, their quality would suffer. They were looking for a customer base that would be as enthusiastic about their product as they were. And they built a very loyal community in the process. With the Century Beast kickstarter, their growth is what became unsustainable. The focus shifted from the art to the ledger, and we started seeing Kickstarter promises unfulfilled, and a reduction in the formerly impeccable quality standards that comes from mass production. And they alienated their community in the process. For a handful of people who love their hobby, then Curios & Conundrums more than covers its expenses. It's kind of like how I'm a gigging musician, but I don't rely on that money to pay my bills because I have a day job.
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Post by distantsmoke on Mar 9, 2018 12:17:12 GMT -5
Just wondering about something. I was thinking it might be a good idea to ask Todd to separate this thread into years (2017, 2018,...). Now would be a good time to make the split if it's going to be done. What do you all think?
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Post by dmikester on Mar 9, 2018 12:21:02 GMT -5
Just wondering about something. I was thinking it might be a good idea to ask Todd to separate this thread into years (2017, 2018,...). Now would be a good time to make the split if it's going to be done. What do you all think? I think that's an excellent idea and will discuss it with management. 
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Post by dmikester on Mar 9, 2018 14:22:10 GMT -5
All right, I've briefly corresponded with Jack, and he just confirmed that the numbering system is going to be sort of the same but different enough that I'm not sure we need an all-new thread. The next season will be numbered 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc. The art pieces are also not going to be very involved until much later in the year as far as puzzle discussion goes. Thoughts on creating a new board for Year 2 based on that knowledge?
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Post by Todd on Mar 9, 2018 16:10:01 GMT -5
I've created a CPP board and moved this thread there.
You can create different threads within that board. Or, if you like, we can create sub-boards for each year. At this point all the discussion has ocurred in a single thread, though, so creatinf a Year 1 board would probably result in just moving this thread into it.
I'm open to suggestions.
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Post by distantsmoke on Mar 9, 2018 18:27:20 GMT -5
My thoughts: I do like the idea of yearly boards for CPP (that looks so Russian to me). Mostly because I'm always so far behind everyone else. I've only just finished Summer 2017. So I still have two more seasons to go before I'm ready to start on 2018. So splitting the boards by year would make it easier for me to find tips and clues, without having to go thru the majority of pages looking for the month I need help with.
But I understand why the folks who manage to solve everything in less than a week see no need for it. For them it is easier to just keep adding to the old thread. Additionally, I don't think it will be likely we will see an influx of people who have just bought all of 2017, and are now looking for help.
I'm not hard core on this. If I am the only one who sees a benefit in splitting the boards into years I will still love all of you and will enjoy the 2018 journey with you and Anna.
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Post by dmikester on Mar 9, 2018 19:07:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the more I've thought about this, the more I'm a bit torn, mainly because Jack has posted the hint book for the first year, which is very well organized, so one could go there instead of here. But of course here is more fun, and we're actually advertised on the main Tumblr for CPP as a resource. I think we should wait for at least craigrj and squirrel to weigh in before doing anything with the reorganization.
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Post by Geodus on Mar 9, 2018 19:34:13 GMT -5
I like the idea of separating where possible. I'm in the middle of the first year, and I've found myself getting references and occasional spoilers in this thread to mailings that I haven't started on yet - mostly because there are interwoven discussions and it isn't always clear what someone is referencing.
One of the downsides of starting late on a puzzle when others are much farther ahead.
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