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Post by professor on Feb 6, 2017 5:14:23 GMT -5
Had a chance to look at the maps in more detail. I think I've mapped the locations. Using the amulet, there seems to be only one spot on each map that will line up correctly. Then it's a matter of looking up those locations onto the nautical map. I don't think we have to worry about the differences in scale. I think that just means that you can't use the amulet directly on the nautical map. Once I had place names, a Google search gave me coordinates. I converted degrees/minutes/seconds to just degrees to make it easier to put into Google Maps. San Fernando, Pampanga (15.0333 N, 120.6833 E) Bago, Negros Occidental (10.5333 N, 122.8333 E)
Baras, Catanduanes (13.6667 N, 124.3667 E) Naso Point, Phillipines (10.418 N, 121.9501 E)
Catarman, North Samar (12.4500 N, 124.6500 E) Cambari Island, Negros (10.5508 N, 120.0939 E)
Nasugbu, Batangas (14.0667 N, 120.6333 E) Cauit Point, Phillipines (12.2635 N, 121.9629 E) Now I believe: that because there are two maps of each nationality, they each represent an endpoint of one line. I paired them up so that the two French maps form a line, the two Spanish, the two Chinese, and the two Arabic.
My precision isn't the best, but all four lines seem to bound a small area around the town of Jamindan, on Panay Island.
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Post by wortelboer on Feb 6, 2017 14:07:11 GMT -5
Had a chance to look at the maps in more detail. I think I've mapped the locations. Using the amulet, there seems to be only one spot on each map that will line up correctly. Then it's a matter of looking up those locations onto the nautical map. I don't think we have to worry about the differences in scale. I think that just means that you can't use the amulet directly on the nautical map. Once I had place names, a Google search gave me coordinates. I converted degrees/minutes/seconds to just degrees to make it easier to put into Google Maps. San Fernando, Pampanga (15.0333 N, 120.6833 E) Bago, Negros Occidental (10.5333 N, 122.8333 E)
Baras, Catanduanes (13.6667 N, 124.3667 E) Naso Point, Phillipines (10.418 N, 121.9501 E)
Catarman, North Samar (12.4500 N, 124.6500 E) Cambari Island, Negros (10.5508 N, 120.0939 E)
Nasugbu, Batangas (14.0667 N, 120.6333 E) Cauit Point, Phillipines (12.2635 N, 121.9629 E) Now I believe: that because there are two maps of each nationality, they each represent an endpoint of one line. I paired them up so that the two French maps form a line, the two Spanish, the two Chinese, and the two Arabic.
My precision isn't the best, but all four lines seem to bound a small area around the town of Jamindan, on Panay Island.
Yes, that is what I did but then... followed the directions from the note in a bottle and used the conversion to pinpoint a spot on Marinduque and then...finally... I didn't forget that email from Kelsey from the first mailing.
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Post by lemonade on Feb 6, 2017 21:07:36 GMT -5
Had a chance to look at the maps in more detail. I think I've mapped the locations. Using the amulet, there seems to be only one spot on each map that will line up correctly. Then it's a matter of looking up those locations onto the nautical map. I don't think we have to worry about the differences in scale. I think that just means that you can't use the amulet directly on the nautical map. Once I had place names, a Google search gave me coordinates. I converted degrees/minutes/seconds to just degrees to make it easier to put into Google Maps. San Fernando, Pampanga (15.0333 N, 120.6833 E) Bago, Negros Occidental (10.5333 N, 122.8333 E)
Baras, Catanduanes (13.6667 N, 124.3667 E) Naso Point, Phillipines (10.418 N, 121.9501 E)
Catarman, North Samar (12.4500 N, 124.6500 E) Cambari Island, Negros (10.5508 N, 120.0939 E)
Nasugbu, Batangas (14.0667 N, 120.6333 E) Cauit Point, Phillipines (12.2635 N, 121.9629 E) Now I believe: that because there are two maps of each nationality, they each represent an endpoint of one line. I paired them up so that the two French maps form a line, the two Spanish, the two Chinese, and the two Arabic.
My precision isn't the best, but all four lines seem to bound a small area around the town of Jamindan, on Panay Island.
Yes, that is what I did but then... followed the directions from the note in a bottle and used the conversion to pinpoint a spot on Marinduque and then...finally... I didn't forget that email from Kelsey from the first mailing. For the location, I got: Volcano Island, but possibly even Vulcan Point Island, in Lake Taal. Are you sure that you have the right location on the Arab map? There are two points on that one that seem to fit the medallion, but one fits better than the other.
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Post by professor on Feb 6, 2017 23:30:40 GMT -5
Yes, that is what I did but then... followed the directions from the note in a bottle and used the conversion to pinpoint a spot on Marinduque and then...finally... I didn't forget that email from Kelsey from the first mailing. Hmm ... I noticed that my coordinates are off. One thing I've noticed is that there's a lot of repetition of names within the Philippines. I knew that message in the bottle sounded like directions. However, I'm still not lining up to Marinduque. Can you check your coordinates with mine?
French Baras, Catanduanes - 13.67597 N, 124.3853 E Naso Point, Phillipines - 10.4122 N, 121.9625 E
Arab Catarman, North Samar - 12.4500 N, 124.6500 E Cambari Island, Negros - 10.5514 N, 120.0930 E
Spanish San Fernando, La Union - 16.6167 N, 120.3167 E Bago, Negros Occidental - 10.8775 N, 122.9810 E
Chinese Nasugbu, Batangas - 14.0667 N, 120.6333 E Cauit Point, Romblon - 9.2920 N, 126.1854 E Assuming my lines are correct, to apply the bottle message it should be simply to find the intersection between the French line and the Arab line. Then find the intersection between the Spanish line and the Chinese line. Then connect those two intersections.
And travel along that line for 58.5 leagues (or 175.5 nautical miles. Unfortunately, that's shooting me way past Marinduque.
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Post by professor on Feb 6, 2017 23:42:52 GMT -5
For the location, I got: Volcano Island, but possibly even Vulcan Point Island, in Lake Taal. Are you sure that you have the right location on the Arab map? There are two points on that one that seem to fit the medallion, but one fits better than the other. That is certainly much closer to the area that I was looking at. Also it sounds incredibly thematically appropriate. Plus, stupid me, I thought I was being clever and converting the 58.5 leagues to nautical miles, but I just realized that Google Maps is still using standard miles even over ocean areas. D'oh! So changing that to 202 miles gets me *really* close to Vulcan Point Island, but I'm missing it by just under 10 miles or so.
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Post by lemonade on Feb 7, 2017 0:00:37 GMT -5
For the location, I got: Volcano Island, but possibly even Vulcan Point Island, in Lake Taal. Are you sure that you have the right location on the Arab map? There are two points on that one that seem to fit the medallion, but one fits better than the other. That is certainly much closer to the area that I was looking at. Also it sounds incredibly thematically appropriate. Plus, stupid me, I thought I was being clever and converting the 58.5 leagues to nautical miles, but I just realized that Google Maps is still using standard miles even over ocean areas. D'oh! So changing that to 202 miles gets me *really* close to Vulcan Point Island, but I'm missing it by just under 10 miles or so. Yeah, it would be great if it was Vulcan Point, but reading up on the history of the volcano, I'm unsure of what year that island was formed, and whether it even existed back during John Augur's time. In fact, I'm to lazy to check the mailing right now, but at that time Taal Island might still have been called Bombou.
There's also the part of the KMS email that talks about carrying, then driving, then carrying the zodiac again. Which makes me feel a little stronger about my answer, I guess.
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Post by professor on Feb 7, 2017 1:02:26 GMT -5
Aha ... I think the big problem is that the map that shows Bago is incorrectly drawn. The Spanish map labels Saravia as Bago. Bago is actually some 20 miles down the coast. If we use the true Bago location, then that bisector line goes right to Taal Volcano Island, and given how much drift being off by a fraction of a degree, I'll bet the intent is to place it right on top of Vulcan Point Island, a small piece of land that's barely 200 feet across.
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Post by professor on Feb 7, 2017 1:34:53 GMT -5
Yeah, it would be great if it was Vulcan Point, but reading up on the history of the volcano, I'm unsure of what year that island was formed, and whether it even existed back during John Augur's time. In fact, I'm to lazy to check the mailing right now, but at that time Taal Island might still have been called Bombou.
There's also the part of the KMS email that talks about carrying, then driving, then carrying the zodiac again. Which makes me feel a little stronger about my answer, I guess. Yeah, it does sound like it may not have existed at that time. I wonder if the MPC missed that? "The Articles" from the second mailing were signed and dated in 1717, and the Wikipedia article on the Taal Volcano suggests that the inner lake wasn't formed until 1911.
Incidentally, the lake water contains diluted sulfuric acid with high concentrations of boron, magnesium, aluminum, and sodium (although some suggest you can still swim there).
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Post by wortelboer on Feb 7, 2017 7:16:46 GMT -5
Had to get up super early to recheck everything and yes, I see now where I went wrong.
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Post by professor on Feb 7, 2017 13:02:18 GMT -5
Had to get up super early to recheck everything and yes, I see now where I went wrong. Do your findings now point to the other location under discussion?
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Post by wortelboer on Feb 7, 2017 13:20:29 GMT -5
Had to get up super early to recheck everything and yes, I see now where I went wrong. Do your findings now point to the other location under discussion? Yes.
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Post by professor on Feb 8, 2017 4:20:24 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what to make of the cannon to dagger = 12" = fathom notation. I know it relates to the message in the bottle and the marks make it a distance, but I wasn't sure how to use it.
It's about the same distance on the nautical chart from where the French woman and the Arab met to the target island, but that doesn't really make any sense.
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Post by sunrhyse on Feb 16, 2017 16:09:16 GMT -5
ok, just making sure that when lining up the amulet that the symbols are in the actual cut out on the amulet and not just in line with the cut out is this correct??
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Post by wortelboer on Feb 16, 2017 16:46:29 GMT -5
ok, just making sure that when lining up the amulet that the symbols are in the actual cut out on the amulet and not just in line with the cut out is this correct?? you are on the right track.
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Post by sunrhyse on Feb 16, 2017 19:36:13 GMT -5
so is that a yes, the symbols are directly in the cut out, I am having a issue with finding a location on one of the maps
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