Post by Todd on Jul 27, 2016 8:25:48 GMT -5
Like Dillon Sparks I also got a package from the Curator in the past. I found in mine a third, similar clipping: same date, same location, same statue and same memorial date. But a third name, Patrick Morensen, "a Chief Scout recipient, a willing and constant volunteer at his local women's shelter, was starting his first year at the University of Toronto with a full scolarship." He was died "while solo camping Petrogliphs Provincial Park", so now I wonder if there was one "terrible accident" that killed unrelated people in different parts of the park...
In the same package I also got a round tag with the following characters on it: "MPC Q8296". This definitely point to part the crossword puzzle solution, that mentions "digits on a brass tag".
Please have a look to the article clipping and tag in the linked picture, where I also included the back of the clipping: will someone note something useful there too?.
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
this is Super interesting. Now 3 names, all the same dates, All died in the same place, all have something to do with a mysterious statue. Im Hooked and very much looking forward to the next installment. Maybe this has something to do with the Mysterious OSS? Who knows but im looking forward to finding out.
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
It's rather strange, though, that none of the clippings mentions the other accidents: if three different people actually died in the same Park, at about the same date, and if a statue was left at each accident's place, you would expect that the journalist would JUMP on the story.
I've started to think that the main clue here is that one person died at Petroglyphs Provincial Park and that a statue was found on the place of his death.
Definitely less mysterious, perhaps even mundane, but worth pondering...
What do you think?
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
That's a good thought there, Massimo. It definitely makes more sense that there was a single victim of the "accident". But I don't think that makes this less mysterious -- rather it is MORE! Who was this guy, and why would he be known by three separate identities? I'm sure the OSS is involved in this, but not sure what exactly this "lodge" is. The only OSS I'm aware of is the predecessor to the CIA.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
Yes i had Considered the Predecessor of the CIA myself but contextually i believe it is a separate organisation. Perhaps an acronym for a mystical society such as the O.T.O or the O.A.I, this could also explain what they meant by Lodge as many such organisations use a lodge and masonic system.
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
I agree completely. The pre-CIA doesn't really fit. There is also an organisation called the "Occult Secret Service" -- a British construct, apparently. And a death-metal band. But neither of them have iconography related to the globe on McCabe's ID card.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
What I suggested above is not that the three clippings referred to the same person who had three identities, but just that the clue that our Curator wanted to send to each of us is that a person died at the Petroglyphs Provincial Park, and that a statue was find on the place where he died. And that trying to connect the three clippings could not be really useful.
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
Even if the articles aren't hinting at the same person, they have to be connected somehow--if for no reason other than the one guy (McCabe) is an apparent relation to another clue we all received in the form of the Lodge membership card.
I'm also curious about the statue… one of the Wanted ads mentions a statue. The ad is verbatim from a 1920 movie called "The Penalty." The other wanted ads are fruitless.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
I just subscribed to C&C, so I havent received anything as of yet, but took a look at those files Massimo posted (Thanks!). Did somebody point out already that the lines on the membership cards globe could also seen as letters O, S nd S? Could they be OSS membership cards?
Aurora Borealis
Posted almost 2 years ago
Interesting, as I received the 'Proof of Membership' card for Patrick Morensen in my prologue package today.
I agree that the globe symbol appears to be spelling out OSS. Hmm..odd.
I also want to point out that on the membership card Patrick Morensen is listed as 'The Artisan'. I believe someone else had a membership card for 'The Professor'? The newspaper had a 'get to know The Professor' article, and says that next issue will feature The Artisan.
Perhaps these 'deaths' were faked, and the individuals have taken up new lives at the Mysterious Package Company?
Just thinking out loud...
Dan Luxenberg
Posted almost 2 years ago
Huh. Ok, well, Horace McCabe is listed as the Architect on the membership card I received with his name on it. I'm not sure we're going to get much more info on the OSS until the next issue, with the way the relevant article trailed off in this C&C.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
Dan, what date does Morensen's membership card say he was inducted? The other cards we've seen (Horace McCabe and Anthony Dubois) were in April 1931. Actually, could you possibly go to the wikia page we have set up and upload scans of his card and any other notable info? McCabe's and Dubois' cards have differing symbols next to the "globe".
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
Just thought i would throw my two cents in here my membership card is also for Patrick Morenson he was inducted April 1931 and the shape is different than any card i have seen thus far more like the lower left quadrant of a circle
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
Hi Matthew, are you able to post a scan of the membership card you received on the wiki? We have a "clue image library" there: curios-and-conundrums.wikia.com/wiki/Clue_image_library
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
So at this point, we have three members' cards, each with a different symbol, making up 3/4 of a circle. I'm guessing we have one more, perhaps? Steven Ellis, maybe, rounding out the circle.
We have three obits, as well (although I suspect there may be a fourth floating around), and each gave some kind of indication that the deceased was youngish. I was eager to see Morenson's date… because his obit leads me to believe he was probably under 20 when he died. But the date on the obit (1969) and the date on the card (1931) would put him at least at 38--and that's if he were inducted at birth!
There's also an issue with the McCabe documents. The obit is for Andrew, but the membership card we have is for Horace. Makes me see two possibilities:
His full name is Horace Andrew McCabe, and he goes by Andrew unofficially because Horace is a silly name (kidding . In this case, assuming all obits and membership cards align, the date discrepancies have to be some kind of clue.
Andrew and Horace are two separate people. In which case, it may be safe to assume we can consider the membership cards and obits of all men to be separate, possibly indicating father/son relationships.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
I uploaded a photo of Patrick Morensen's ID card to the wikia. The obit I have for Steven Ellis is identical to the one already posted, so I didn't bother to add my photo to the mix.
Dan Luxenberg
Posted almost 2 years ago
curios-and-conundrums.wikia.com/wiki/Patrick_Morensen
I have Edited the Morensen Page and added a clearer Picture of the ID that i received Feel free to check it out
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
Then there's the symbol on Horace McCabe's membership card (hourglass?) What is it - and why doesn't anyone else have it, or something like it?
Aurora Borealis
Posted almost 2 years ago
I also suspect that the two McCabes and the two Patrick Morensens are different, possibly related persons: let's keep time travels out of the picture, for the time being.
Our best guess at the moment is that the cards prove the membership to the OSS, and we should try to know more about them. On the one hand we need to understand the different symbols. and on the other we should collect more infos, like how many different cards were sent...
Should we post an appeal on the MPC Facebook page to ask for more people to contribute their clues?
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
Dan, take a look at the BACK of your Steven Ellis obit. Mine and Massimo's had different backings, and they look like they fit together as part of a single piece of paper.
The symbol on Horace's is indeed an hourglass. Not sure what it implies, or why it's the only one (thus far). It looks like the finished "circle" is going to end up looking like a shield, or a US Interstate sign.
Max, that's a good idea. We'll just be spinning our wheels if we're trying to solve this puzzle without all the pieces.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
My dear fellows, you might all have already noticed, but I have to point out: July 16, 1969 was the day when Apollo 11 was launched into the space and started its' journey towards to Moon.
Might the strange disappearances on that same day have something to do with that?
Aurora Borealis
Posted over 1 year ago
Brilliant observation, Aura! I completely missed that. It could explain why so many of the articles in the newsletter focus on extraterrestrial visitors.
Elim Horton
Posted over 1 year ago
It looks as if we may have gotten a good deal more information about Horace McCabe in the third installment of Curios. According to that, he was a well known New York banker and philanthropist who was kicked out of the Waldorf-Astoria for becoming violent and yelling at a party of men, who were having a meeting upstairs, to which he was denied entrance. He yelled that the OSS would not be intimidated by them. That group was the SZ, of recent menus. Horacee was 20 years old in 1911, youngest man to sit on the board of directors for Kidder, Peabody & Co, etc.
Chelsea, M.C.
Posted over 1 year ago
And another thing! If we are collecting the occupations from the membership cards, then it stands to reason that the missing one is the "Chronologist", with whom there will be an interview in the next C&C.
Chelsea, M.C.
Posted over 1 year ago
In the same package I also got a round tag with the following characters on it: "MPC Q8296". This definitely point to part the crossword puzzle solution, that mentions "digits on a brass tag".
Please have a look to the article clipping and tag in the linked picture, where I also included the back of the clipping: will someone note something useful there too?.
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
this is Super interesting. Now 3 names, all the same dates, All died in the same place, all have something to do with a mysterious statue. Im Hooked and very much looking forward to the next installment. Maybe this has something to do with the Mysterious OSS? Who knows but im looking forward to finding out.
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
It's rather strange, though, that none of the clippings mentions the other accidents: if three different people actually died in the same Park, at about the same date, and if a statue was left at each accident's place, you would expect that the journalist would JUMP on the story.
I've started to think that the main clue here is that one person died at Petroglyphs Provincial Park and that a statue was found on the place of his death.
Definitely less mysterious, perhaps even mundane, but worth pondering...
What do you think?
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
That's a good thought there, Massimo. It definitely makes more sense that there was a single victim of the "accident". But I don't think that makes this less mysterious -- rather it is MORE! Who was this guy, and why would he be known by three separate identities? I'm sure the OSS is involved in this, but not sure what exactly this "lodge" is. The only OSS I'm aware of is the predecessor to the CIA.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
Yes i had Considered the Predecessor of the CIA myself but contextually i believe it is a separate organisation. Perhaps an acronym for a mystical society such as the O.T.O or the O.A.I, this could also explain what they meant by Lodge as many such organisations use a lodge and masonic system.
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
I agree completely. The pre-CIA doesn't really fit. There is also an organisation called the "Occult Secret Service" -- a British construct, apparently. And a death-metal band. But neither of them have iconography related to the globe on McCabe's ID card.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
What I suggested above is not that the three clippings referred to the same person who had three identities, but just that the clue that our Curator wanted to send to each of us is that a person died at the Petroglyphs Provincial Park, and that a statue was find on the place where he died. And that trying to connect the three clippings could not be really useful.
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
Even if the articles aren't hinting at the same person, they have to be connected somehow--if for no reason other than the one guy (McCabe) is an apparent relation to another clue we all received in the form of the Lodge membership card.
I'm also curious about the statue… one of the Wanted ads mentions a statue. The ad is verbatim from a 1920 movie called "The Penalty." The other wanted ads are fruitless.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
I just subscribed to C&C, so I havent received anything as of yet, but took a look at those files Massimo posted (Thanks!). Did somebody point out already that the lines on the membership cards globe could also seen as letters O, S nd S? Could they be OSS membership cards?
Aurora Borealis
Posted almost 2 years ago
Interesting, as I received the 'Proof of Membership' card for Patrick Morensen in my prologue package today.
I agree that the globe symbol appears to be spelling out OSS. Hmm..odd.
I also want to point out that on the membership card Patrick Morensen is listed as 'The Artisan'. I believe someone else had a membership card for 'The Professor'? The newspaper had a 'get to know The Professor' article, and says that next issue will feature The Artisan.
Perhaps these 'deaths' were faked, and the individuals have taken up new lives at the Mysterious Package Company?
Just thinking out loud...
Dan Luxenberg
Posted almost 2 years ago
Huh. Ok, well, Horace McCabe is listed as the Architect on the membership card I received with his name on it. I'm not sure we're going to get much more info on the OSS until the next issue, with the way the relevant article trailed off in this C&C.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
Dan, what date does Morensen's membership card say he was inducted? The other cards we've seen (Horace McCabe and Anthony Dubois) were in April 1931. Actually, could you possibly go to the wikia page we have set up and upload scans of his card and any other notable info? McCabe's and Dubois' cards have differing symbols next to the "globe".
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
Just thought i would throw my two cents in here my membership card is also for Patrick Morenson he was inducted April 1931 and the shape is different than any card i have seen thus far more like the lower left quadrant of a circle
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
Hi Matthew, are you able to post a scan of the membership card you received on the wiki? We have a "clue image library" there: curios-and-conundrums.wikia.com/wiki/Clue_image_library
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
So at this point, we have three members' cards, each with a different symbol, making up 3/4 of a circle. I'm guessing we have one more, perhaps? Steven Ellis, maybe, rounding out the circle.
We have three obits, as well (although I suspect there may be a fourth floating around), and each gave some kind of indication that the deceased was youngish. I was eager to see Morenson's date… because his obit leads me to believe he was probably under 20 when he died. But the date on the obit (1969) and the date on the card (1931) would put him at least at 38--and that's if he were inducted at birth!
There's also an issue with the McCabe documents. The obit is for Andrew, but the membership card we have is for Horace. Makes me see two possibilities:
His full name is Horace Andrew McCabe, and he goes by Andrew unofficially because Horace is a silly name (kidding . In this case, assuming all obits and membership cards align, the date discrepancies have to be some kind of clue.
Andrew and Horace are two separate people. In which case, it may be safe to assume we can consider the membership cards and obits of all men to be separate, possibly indicating father/son relationships.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
I uploaded a photo of Patrick Morensen's ID card to the wikia. The obit I have for Steven Ellis is identical to the one already posted, so I didn't bother to add my photo to the mix.
Dan Luxenberg
Posted almost 2 years ago
curios-and-conundrums.wikia.com/wiki/Patrick_Morensen
I have Edited the Morensen Page and added a clearer Picture of the ID that i received Feel free to check it out
A.E. Blackwell
Posted almost 2 years ago
Then there's the symbol on Horace McCabe's membership card (hourglass?) What is it - and why doesn't anyone else have it, or something like it?
Aurora Borealis
Posted almost 2 years ago
I also suspect that the two McCabes and the two Patrick Morensens are different, possibly related persons: let's keep time travels out of the picture, for the time being.
Our best guess at the moment is that the cards prove the membership to the OSS, and we should try to know more about them. On the one hand we need to understand the different symbols. and on the other we should collect more infos, like how many different cards were sent...
Should we post an appeal on the MPC Facebook page to ask for more people to contribute their clues?
Massimo Ferrario
Posted almost 2 years ago
Dan, take a look at the BACK of your Steven Ellis obit. Mine and Massimo's had different backings, and they look like they fit together as part of a single piece of paper.
The symbol on Horace's is indeed an hourglass. Not sure what it implies, or why it's the only one (thus far). It looks like the finished "circle" is going to end up looking like a shield, or a US Interstate sign.
Max, that's a good idea. We'll just be spinning our wheels if we're trying to solve this puzzle without all the pieces.
Elim Horton
Posted almost 2 years ago
My dear fellows, you might all have already noticed, but I have to point out: July 16, 1969 was the day when Apollo 11 was launched into the space and started its' journey towards to Moon.
Might the strange disappearances on that same day have something to do with that?
Aurora Borealis
Posted over 1 year ago
Brilliant observation, Aura! I completely missed that. It could explain why so many of the articles in the newsletter focus on extraterrestrial visitors.
Elim Horton
Posted over 1 year ago
It looks as if we may have gotten a good deal more information about Horace McCabe in the third installment of Curios. According to that, he was a well known New York banker and philanthropist who was kicked out of the Waldorf-Astoria for becoming violent and yelling at a party of men, who were having a meeting upstairs, to which he was denied entrance. He yelled that the OSS would not be intimidated by them. That group was the SZ, of recent menus. Horacee was 20 years old in 1911, youngest man to sit on the board of directors for Kidder, Peabody & Co, etc.
Chelsea, M.C.
Posted over 1 year ago
And another thing! If we are collecting the occupations from the membership cards, then it stands to reason that the missing one is the "Chronologist", with whom there will be an interview in the next C&C.
Chelsea, M.C.
Posted over 1 year ago