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Post by amanda on Apr 9, 2016 15:51:58 GMT -5
I am frequently feeling as if I am finding solutions in search of problems and problems in search of solutions, with little overlap in the two categories. Well, to be perfectly honest, it's also possible that you're simply reading too much into things. Granted, this is a new volume with a new format and some new features, so things may have changed. However, in the past, not everything in C&C has been a puzzle, contained a secret message, been relevant to the overarching plot, etc. In fact, *most* of the articles and features in past issues have been there simply as interesting diversions, and have had no larger significance or underlying meaning. There is sometimes a theme to the issue (witchcraft, apocalyptic stories, extraterrestrials), but even then, there isn't really a larger meaning to it. One could almost say that part of the puzzles was figuring out which parts of the issue were "relevant," and which were there just for fun. While a few of the artifacts from past issues have been related to the overarching story or have been necessary to solve puzzles, most of the them have simply been tie-ins to various unrelated articles, and once again, have no larger significance, hidden puzzles, or secret messages- they're just there to be a fun, tactile part of the experience. Also, one of the pitfalls I've learned to be wary of with regards to C&C and the MPC is overthinking things. The puzzles and codes are often *difficult,* but they are seldom overly *complicated,* if you know what I mean, and they don't usually require huge amounts of research or knowledge of obscure facts. It also generally becomes pretty clear pretty quickly whether or not you're dealing with a puzzle/code, and if so, what kind of puzzle/code it is (not always- there have been one or two exceptions, but this is by and large the general rule). Basically, if you find yourself straining to make connections, having to make twenty leaps of logic, or relying on bits of arcance trivia discovered only after hours of research on obscure parts of the Internet, chances are very, very high that the puzzle you're dealing with is either a lot simpler than you're trying to make it, or simply isn't there. Now, again, this is a new volume and a sort of "fresh start," so it's possible that they've switched tactics, and have decided to make every single thing part of some complex puzzle or code. Frankly, though, I doubt it. Hopefully, this will become clearer with the second chapter, but my own gut instinct is that, despite the new features and puzzles, there are still certain articles and artifacts that are just there for amusement and have no larger meaning, and getting to hung up on trying to find connections, puzzles, and secret messages where there probably aren't any will just distract us from the actual mysteries that need solving. While I am quite possibly overthinking things, I'm not on the particular tacks I'm referring to due to obscure facts or internet research, but from looking at the materials in hand, and in particular, the way things are worded, things I see in images, that sort of stuff. I came to this off of a solid three months of solving cryptic style crosswords, which can do very twisty things to the puzzle-solving brain when it comes to certain words I'm finding a lot of in the material  . There is a set of observations I've made that feel very much like they ought to lead somewhere. The course seems kind of obvious to me from a puzzle solving perspective, actually. But... then... nothing seems to match with it. Or there's something I can physically see is there, and it's easy enough to confirm it was deliberately put there, but I can't quite make visual sense of it. I still find Ok, going to be much more blunt here about my idea above: the fact there are 26 entries on the right intriguing. That's a meaningful number for this sort of thing. And especially when it's coupled with something else I have a good reason to believe might be related. The things that seemed the most obvious to me haven't yielded anything yet, but I'm not ready to say there's nothing there. I have on more than one occasion overlooked things that seem obvious to others.
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 9, 2016 16:30:48 GMT -5
Well, to be perfectly honest, it's also possible that you're simply reading too much into things. Granted, this is a new volume with a new format and some new features, so things may have changed. However, in the past, not everything in C&C has been a puzzle, contained a secret message, been relevant to the overarching plot, etc. In fact, *most* of the articles and features in past issues have been there simply as interesting diversions, and have had no larger significance or underlying meaning. There is sometimes a theme to the issue (witchcraft, apocalyptic stories, extraterrestrials), but even then, there isn't really a larger meaning to it. One could almost say that part of the puzzles was figuring out which parts of the issue were "relevant," and which were there just for fun. While a few of the artifacts from past issues have been related to the overarching story or have been necessary to solve puzzles, most of the them have simply been tie-ins to various unrelated articles, and once again, have no larger significance, hidden puzzles, or secret messages- they're just there to be a fun, tactile part of the experience. Also, one of the pitfalls I've learned to be wary of with regards to C&C and the MPC is overthinking things. The puzzles and codes are often *difficult,* but they are seldom overly *complicated,* if you know what I mean, and they don't usually require huge amounts of research or knowledge of obscure facts. It also generally becomes pretty clear pretty quickly whether or not you're dealing with a puzzle/code, and if so, what kind of puzzle/code it is (not always- there have been one or two exceptions, but this is by and large the general rule). Basically, if you find yourself straining to make connections, having to make twenty leaps of logic, or relying on bits of arcance trivia discovered only after hours of research on obscure parts of the Internet, chances are very, very high that the puzzle you're dealing with is either a lot simpler than you're trying to make it, or simply isn't there. Now, again, this is a new volume and a sort of "fresh start," so it's possible that they've switched tactics, and have decided to make every single thing part of some complex puzzle or code. Frankly, though, I doubt it. Hopefully, this will become clearer with the second chapter, but my own gut instinct is that, despite the new features and puzzles, there are still certain articles and artifacts that are just there for amusement and have no larger meaning, and getting to hung up on trying to find connections, puzzles, and secret messages where there probably aren't any will just distract us from the actual mysteries that need solving. While I am quite possibly overthinking things, I'm not on the particular tacks I'm referring to due to obscure facts or internet research, but from looking at the materials in hand, and in particular, the way things are worded, things I see in images, that sort of stuff. I came to this off of a solid three months of solving cryptic style crosswords, which can do very twisty things to the puzzle-solving brain when it comes to certain words I'm finding a lot of in the material  . There is a set of observations I've made that feel very much like they ought to lead somewhere. The course seems kind of obvious to me from a puzzle solving perspective, actually. But... then... nothing seems to match with it. Or there's something I can physically see is there, and it's easy enough to confirm it was deliberately put there, but I can't quite make visual sense of it. I still find Ok, going to be much more blunt here about my idea above: the fact there are 26 entries on the right intriguing. That's a meaningful number for this sort of thing. And especially when it's coupled with something else I have a good reason to believe might be related. The things that seemed the most obvious to me haven't yielded anything yet, but I'm not ready to say there's nothing there. I have on more than one occasion overlooked things that seem obvious to others. I do that too. Right now my head feels like Suri. I'm looking at the symbols now, and they look like dance steps, especially if you make the lines into arrows.
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Post by floweryfriend on Apr 11, 2016 22:35:46 GMT -5
After studying the curio Maison Du Columbie I found there are 22 historical composers, 12 pop singers and one entry that translates to "Duck, wait, we return to the house." I'm not sure what to make of it. I think you mean Drake- Hold On, We're Going Home... I laughed so hard. And then I had to show my roommate.
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Post by floweryfriend on Apr 11, 2016 22:39:11 GMT -5
I don't speak a word of French, so I showed this to a friend of mine who does. I don't know if what I'm about to post matters at all or not... but just in case... "I think he means Maison du Columbier. Not a French major, the author. Columbier is a town in France, but Colombie is the country, and it's a feminine noun so it'd be Maison de la Colombie. Maison is house but can also mean restaurant---like Meson in Castilian Spanish." I'm new to C&C, but I read in the sitting room that sometimes things that are inaccurate or misspelled are that way for a reason...?
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 12, 2016 7:22:23 GMT -5
It's interesting that all of the places in the backstory are real. Delmonico's, the Cairo hotel, the piece of cube art mentioned in the medium story...
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 12, 2016 9:28:38 GMT -5
I think there is something intriguing about how the selection list is displayed. It looks like a Sequence a song that comes between the Alleluia and the Gospel in a Mass. Hildegard wrote seven of them. it says that they are written in couplets which expand on a story, or idea. So the first part, after Alleluia, could be, Angel who fell from Heaven/Spirit of grace and union/ You are afraid /but be bold./Roar! I'm stuck on the second part. What I understand is that Canard should go home.
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 12, 2016 13:01:11 GMT -5
I don't speak a word of French, so I showed this to a friend of mine who does. I don't know if what I'm about to post matters at all or not... but just in case... "I think he means Maison du Columbier. Not a French major, the author. Columbier is a town in France, but Colombie is the country, and it's a feminine noun so it'd be Maison de la Colombie. Maison is house but can also mean restaurant---like Meson in Castilian Spanish." I'm new to C&C, but I read in the sitting room that sometimes things that are inaccurate or misspelled are that way for a reason...? Is this the connection to the bird and tree in the Curator's last e-mail?
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 15, 2016 18:08:09 GMT -5
I don't speak a word of French, so I showed this to a friend of mine who does. I don't know if what I'm about to post matters at all or not... but just in case... "I think he means Maison du Columbier. Not a French major, the author. Columbier is a town in France, but Colombie is the country, and it's a feminine noun so it'd be Maison de la Colombie. Maison is house but can also mean restaurant---like Meson in Castilian Spanish." I'm new to C&C, but I read in the sitting room that sometimes things that are inaccurate or misspelled are that way for a reason...? So, there is a Chinese restaurant in Ny, called "Allelulia". I wonder what is between Alleluia and Massachusetts?
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 27, 2016 14:16:00 GMT -5
I don't speak a word of French, so I showed this to a friend of mine who does. I don't know if what I'm about to post matters at all or not... but just in case... "I think he means Maison du Columbier. Not a French major, the author. Columbier is a town in France, but Colombie is the country, and it's a feminine noun so it'd be Maison de la Colombie. Maison is house but can also mean restaurant---like Meson in Castilian Spanish." I'm new to C&C, but I read in the sitting room that sometimes things that are inaccurate or misspelled are that way for a reason...? I don't speak French either, but I showed this to a friend from France. He said it could be the country of Columbia (De Columbie), or Columbier De la Maison (the house). He also said that Colombe means "dove", and that old houses had a little house in the corner of the yard for them. A dove columbier: fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombier_(%C3%A9difice) When I Googled it I found this page about a coffeehouse.http://www.thewatcherchicago.com/tag/la-colombe/#.VyEPA9ApDfq The story about the dove is about halfway down..."There’s a café in the South of France, La Colombe d’Or, it was owned by this couple during a time when a lot of artists like Renoir, Picasso, Monet didn’t have money but they would put a piece of art together and give it to the owners, who would feed them. So, you got this café with all masters sitting around and the guy at the bar, he’s giving them wine and some bread, he has no idea who these guys are..." d'or is "gold".
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Post by MrKairo on Apr 29, 2016 23:58:02 GMT -5
Flowery, mrsade: I think you are reading to deeply. Columbia House has been a mail-order music buying "club" since 1955. In the 80s and 90s, every magazine in the world had an order form from Columbia House in it...
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on Apr 30, 2016 20:37:15 GMT -5
Flowery, mrsade: I think you are reading to deeply. Columbia House has been a mail-order music buying "club" since 1955. In the 80s and 90s, every magazine in the world had an order form from Columbia House in it... True. If The Emissary is here he's probably saying "Dude, check out what she wrote now!"
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Post by mrsade11abea1e on May 1, 2016 16:33:45 GMT -5
I guess i'm getting used to what we're supposed to be looking for.
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Post by The Fixer on May 1, 2016 19:02:52 GMT -5
I guess i'm getting used to what we're supposed to be looking for. While true you may be getting used to what to look for, until we get the next part of the puzzle, I wouldn't immediately through out your thought process here. It feels like there may be something there too, as I have had similar thoughts. Correct or not, it is a line to hold onto for a little while, I think.
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Post by freshness on May 3, 2016 23:14:23 GMT -5
Just because I haven't seen it mentioned here 1 Voie de Musique translates to "1 Music Way", the old address of Columbia House.
Highland, if loosely translated to French, would be Terre Haute, the city in which Columbia House's headquarters was located.
47808 is the zip code for Terre Haute, Indiana.
Lorraine...I dunno. The Lorraine group is a rock formation found in Indiana (as well as quite a few other states) that can hold fossils dating back to the Ordovician Era. In a completely unrelated note, the singer Lorraine Feather sings a song entitled Indiana Lana. Interesting, but the connections seem pretty tenuous.
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Post by amanda on May 4, 2016 10:56:13 GMT -5
Also, if anyone else was wondering, the face is Guillaume de Machaut, and the image is mirror flipped from the original portrait it is based on, and the pixelation/lines appear to be a style imposed on it, as those things are not evident in the original portrait. No idea if that is truly meaningful or just design, though some stuff around the eyes looks intentional and in one case almost legible.
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